As it is in HB 3200 illegals will be able to enroll as there isn't a provision to check for citizenship. If an illegal pays his full share, let him enroll.

Agreed.


Jerry, I'm still curious why you can't get your generic in the states.

So your are saying that, for the most part, the money sink would continue, correct? What about illegals that make too much for subsidy...would the public payer be able to accurately determine their income?

Obama Heckler To Be Executed
Written by Illusnist
In what many analysts are describing as a landmark decision in his career as President of the United States, Barrack Obama ordered the execution of Senator Joe Wilson, formerly of South Carolina. This decree comes only 18 hours after the disgraced Senator had the audacity to interrupt an official Presidential address with a remark that many people considered less than optimistic.

In his defense, Joe remarked, "I wasn't trying to be a rude. The fact is I was hypnotized by an angry right-wing activist, and can't resist the urge to make comments whenever someone who outranks me has something to say. Last week, I called Mickey Mouse a 'turd.'"

The execution will be carried out in a back alley on some undisclosed dark and rainy night. Media will be excluded from the event, but the public is encouraged to use their imagination to experience the wrath of the Executive Branch.

A source close to the President reported that Mr. Obama remarked how sad it was that the interruption came after his broadcast to the nation's school students on Tuesday. One imaginary source is reported to have reported the President saying, "I think I could have touched them better and left a lasting impression on what I had to say if I could've had an execution to show them."

The best part of the whole evening was the look on Stretch Pelosi's face when "you lie" was uttered. At first she was trying to figure out what the hell happened. The when it finally sunk into her pinhead she had the look of utter hate and you could see the wheels turning in the wicked witch's head. "I'll get you my pretty!" "Someone get his name!"
"How dare they ridicule the saviour and king!" She continued her look of hate long after the incident passed, as if it was her destiny to defend the throne.

It was almost comical except that the witch indeed holds power. Doesn't that concern any of you left wing whackos? Probably not because like most you collect your welfare checks and then go home and insert your heads in the sand pile.

I'd take 10 Wilson's to one Pelosi anyday.

That wasn't me-- it was the post before mine.

Illegals will get no subsidies.

SciGuy, it wasn't Jerry that mentioned he couldn't get his generics here. It was "larryb". This actually relates to my first response to you, which was who is "controlling" the price of medicine. In this case, the Canadian situation proves it isn't a "free market", which everyone seems to want until it is their business that has to compete. Insurance companies and pharma companies have dug their own graves and I feel no sympathy for their industries.

SciGuy, there have been LOTS of media outlets analyzing the "illegal/healthcare" situation. Nearly all are reaching the same conclusion and it isn't what Wilson would want you to believe.

Oops...oversight on my part regarding larryb/jerry.

There are a hundred variables that effect drug cost...my question is what new variables will be added to the pile if HR3200 passes?

Here is some backgroud reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/us/08lobby.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=drug%20companies&st=cse

I know many/most people think of big pharma as evil to some degree. The conflict, though, is that it is big pharma that makes the drugs that help people...not acedemics and only rarely biotechs. Yes, the costs of drugs up until the patent expires is high. The reason is that an approved drug has to pay for all of that drug's research, development, clinical trials, and activities surrounding FDA approval PLUS that drug has to pay for all of the research, development, and clinical trials for other drugs that a given company tried, but failed, to get on the market. Consider that >90% of drugs that a company pays to discover/develop never gets approval...and all of those efforts need to be paid for. There are two sad outcomes: 1) Pharma has to charge a lot of money for drugs once it is approved by the FDA but for a finite span (during the life of the patent). 2) Pharma can only risk investment in the development of drugs that target major diseases. The usual number that is given for a worthwhile discovery effort is the potential for $1 billion a year for it's patent life. As a consequence Pharma can't afford to develop drugs that target rarer diseases, so the number of diseases with unmet needs is staggering...and depressing as hell. On top of everything else nearly all of the big pharma companies are in real trouble right now. They are facing a "patent cliff" where by 2012 nearly all of the big money maker drugs are coming off of patent so generics, as they should, will quickly saturate the market. All of big pharma is currently scrambling to overcome this patent cliff. Some are buying other companies (i.e. buying research and development) while others are drastically downsizing...sometimes both. I suppose there are some that like the fact the big/evil pharma is hurting and on top of that they may have to foot part of the bill for HR3200...thereby adding to the hurt. I look at the situation more from the perspective of how hurting drug makers will impact human health in years to come. Some media sources say pharma will pay while others say they support the proposed bill...I haven't swallowed either but it would be nice to know the truth.

TFF.

Section 246 of H.R. 3200 states unequivocally, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

For the wingnuts to remain so willfully ignorant is actually embarassing to rational citizens.





'Course ya would J... your Klan chapter don't take wimminfolk after all!

[quote=4Salt]Section 246 of H.R. 3200 states unequivocally, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

Thanks for providing that...I was wondering if it was, in fact true. Glad it is noted in the Bill, and hope it stays there!

Unfortunately, all the illegals will still be plugging up our emergency rooms at hospitals so they can get their flu and stubbed toes treated.

Honestly, I can't see much benefit to the American people if that is the case. I am not for having all the legal US citizens pay their bills, and they can't pay them on their own with the high costs of services here. But then, WTF else are we supposed to do? People do get sick, and germs don't discriminate on the basis of race or legal residence status.




Mike

I really don't think that is the central question/issue, better to ask "How" the democratically controlled congress along with the democratic President will grant amnesty to all the illegal aliens (i.e, Mexicans). Once "Granted" amnesty, yes then they will be "Legally Eligible", class dismissed. The real "Poser" of a question will be, "How" will they be allowed Not to Pay Taxes and yet still Vote for democrats????? I'm sure all the resident Libtards here will 'Splain it to us taxpaying no-account low lifes

All of the "illegal" talk reeks of racism. I'm sure all on one side will disagree. If "the illegals" are such an important issue than you should actually be IN FAVOR of health care reform. AS someone mentioned, care is already given at Emergency rooms, regardless of citizenship. That is the most expensive care there is. At least with the proposed legislation, illegals would essentially be forced to buy private insurance and there will be no subsidies given to them for it.

I love all the talk about illegal aliens.

Well, that's kinda what this thread is about...a guy who made an inappropriate outburst over that very issue (despite my attempts to hijack it into a thread about impacting the cost of drugs).



Thanks for sharing.

Did ya catch some of our resident 'centrist' AntiM's posts over there KK?

Just when I thought she couldn't be any MORE of a two-faced ass smoocher...

Hank - The ONLY way to absolutely guarantee that no illegals enter the system is to require a national proof of citizenship card that EVERYBODY will have to carry ALL the time.

Talk about your government intrusion!

WHEN exactly will the retarded right EVER hold a consistent position?

Yeah. How stupid KK is for reading the bill he's going to comment on.

WTF?

Are you Rory Bellows?

Despite what you think of KK, he hit an important nail.

The public option is IMPERATIVE for real change. Without it, the insurance companies aren't competing against anything except their greedy buddies in the same industry.

SciGuy, check out the figures on pharma marketing. Based on what you typed, you might be surprised.

I'm offended by the term "illegal alien " I prefer "criminal trespassers"

Nice 1st post, fuktard.

No surprise here. While it is indeed amazing what they pay for marketing...they do it for a reason.

It is the future that concerns me.

BTW, I'm not against the proposal...health care coverage is a mess...I'm just trying to get some sort of grasp on the impact both short and long term.